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'What we are trying to do is match the way we fund things to the way we work. Wells says the policy is not just about the money, it's also about methodology. 'Certainly through the Restart Fund, if you don't have that in place you are not going to get funding.' We started a process six weeks ago, worked with South Australia to build out a home quarantine app, stood it up, started a pilot for six weeks, we're not sure what that looks like on November 1 but I'm sure we will pivot again.' Look at what we are talking about with quarantine and travel. 'You've seen how quickly things have changed. 'With waterfall we would be still running requirements.'Asked if traditional approaches would have stood up to the pressure of the COVID disruption, he was adamant they would not. I think it challenged a lot of the way you know, digital and ICT used to work, it challenged that work because you do have to prove something before you get subsequent tranches.' 'It's a big mind shift and leadership change in the way we do things. The shift from waterfall to agile development has been underway for a number of years and was central to success, but so is a change at the leadership level in how programs are assessed and funded, he told Digital Nation. Traditional approaches would certainly have failed, says Wells. And one that we're thinking about now is how do we keep that.' 'But also, I'd really stress the team and method investment, that put us in a pretty good position. The long term modernisation of technology was just as important to the success of the Government's response to COVID, as accelerated digitalisation supported by funding such as the $2.1 billion Digital Restart Fund, he said. But data assets and architecture, common platforms, solutions in Service NSW, and modularising things like proving your identity and reusing certain things in that process. A lot of this was built as we evolved through this process. And that's not to say all of that was ready. 'It has been years of slowly building capability from different components of government. The impact of long-term organisational change on everything from decision making to application development enabled the NSW government to successfully and rapidly deploy programs in response to COVID. We will not share your details with third parties. I have read and accept the privacy policy and terms and conditions and by submitting my email address I agree to receive the Digital Nation newsletter and receive special offers on behalf of Digital Nation, nextmedia and its valued partners.

Future the wizrd documentary live nation video network